[buckman]

Stone,

Are you a lawyer?? Based on your interpretation of my posts you sound like one.

First of all, let's clarify what I was refering to as scum. Scum would be that criminal element who intentionally breaks the law and would be willing to hurt anyone who crosses their path. Total disregard for life and property. Total lack of respect for anyone or anything.

Do we agree on this point?

O.K., the question would be is when do you know when your dealing with scum and when wouldn't you?? This becomes obvious if we KNOW what type of law is broken beforehand. Any violent crime against another person or involving a weapon would very quickly put them into the "scum" category and be treated as such until we are safely in control of the situation. To clarify even more, I/us/we who enforce the laws should absolutely prepare ourselves in these situations until otherwise and I/us/we should use every available resource and aggressive tactic possible to ensure we go home at night.

So, should I or other LE officers use these above tactics every time we approach someone? Certainly not but where did I say we should? There is a certain level of awareness that we should be at when dealing with people while in uniform and based on their responses and body language adjust to the situation. This may lead to us being more aggressive with how we handle the situation and if your the kinda guy who laughs at WCO's or gives attitude, your going to get the "treat people the way they treat you" response. Officer safety is paramount no matter the situation, so, your going to run into officers doing things more or less tactical along the way. It only takes one nutbag/scumbag or whatever you want to call them to kill you and it doesn't matter if it's in Cleveland or Hicksville.

This isn't about rahrah or BS, this is the real world and I'm sure your friends in the Cleveland City PD would agree.

"Silly" questions, well again we are talking interpretation. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't?? I never responded about "silly" questions...I responded about questioning period. You might consider it silly but the guy asking them isn't. Based on your previous posts, you don't like hearing what other people have to say. People try to explain something to you and it's hogwash right away. Nothing that is explained makes sense to you no matter what approach is used. I haven't seen you respond to one answer given by knowledgeable people on this site as being remotely possible.

So, based on this "internet" debating and your responses, one could easily interpret your "silly" questions remark as any question or suggestion you don't like. I also enjoy reading how you laughed at WCO's and considered their actions a joke and then later say how your "ultra cooperative" when questioned by L.E.. Which way is it, "ultra cooperative" or it's a joke and intrusive?

I would agree that abusive L.E. officers are bad for everyone. Were you implying that I'm abusive or that one of the WCO's you dealt with was abusive? I haven't seen anything you experienced as being abusive in your posts and I certainly haven't posted anything to suggest abuse is acceptable.

Who's shoving political BS up your nose? No, what's happening is certain people are giving you factual information while others are supporting this with a little common sense about nature and you don't like it. All you know how to explain is your deer hunting stinks in the ANF and it's no one's or nothing else's fault but the PGC.

Again, I would ask you why the deer herd hasn't grown when hunters haven't been killing very many deer on the ANF in the past few years?

Quite frankly it is what it is, your the one who's mad but doesn't want to hear why you might be mad. I'm not sure why you joined in on this debate other than to take jabs at those on here who do a little researching before they answer.

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I was going to reply but I'm seeing that Stone doesn't bother reading replies or reading them fully for comprehension and is only concerned with HIS experience and/or tradition. I think our friend from Ohio just likes to exhale but doesn't bother inhaling, when it comes to learning. So I think Buckman summed up my thoughts nicely.

[quote="buckman"]Stone,

"Silly" questions, well again we are talking interpretation. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't?? I never responded about "silly" questions...I responded about questioning period. You might consider it silly but the guy asking them isn't. Based on your previous posts, you don't like hearing what other people have to say. People try to explain something to you and it's hogwash right away. Nothing that is explained makes sense to you no matter what approach is used. I haven't seen you respond to one answer given by knowledgeable people on this site as being remotely possible.

So, based on this "internet" debating and your responses, one could easily interpret your "silly" questions remark as any question or suggestion you don't like. I also enjoy reading how you laughed at WCO's and considered their actions a joke and then later say how your "ultra cooperative" when questioned by L.E.. Which way is it, "ultra cooperative" or it's a joke and intrusive?


Who's shoving political BS up your nose? No, what's happening is certain people are giving you factual information while others are supporting this with a little common sense about nature and you don't like it. All you know how to explain is your deer hunting stinks in the ANF and it's no one's or nothing else's fault but the PGC.


Quite frankly it is what it is, your the one who's mad but doesn't want to hear why you might be mad. I'm not sure why you joined in on this debate other than to take jabs at those on here who do a little researching before they answer.[/quote]

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Well there's yet another illustration that stone doesn't read posts well. He's too busy making false assumptions about people he has no clue about!

[renegade]

Exactly many of the users point. You don't read. You avoid legitimate questions. You feel you know all and are right, so you don't bother reading or discussing with anyone whom isn't in lockstep with your own opinion, and heaven forbid you let facts get in your way.
You keep digging yourself deeper, so I suggest you stop having a one sided debate, or stick to Ohio subjects which you may be more knowledgeable about.

AGAIN
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I'm guessing your a democrat by the way your constantly accusing others of doing exactly what you do, but blame them for it. I've been nothing but cordial to you and tried to debate our differences, as several others have as well, but you instead want to inject emotion into written words from people you don't know and therefore have no idea of their demeanor. Zimm has never met any of us but yet can debate and disagree without making it personal. And we've reached common ground on some issues.

As for questions, I don't recall you ever asking any that didn't get answered. It may have not been an answer you wanted, liked or one you even considered. Newsflash* not everyone has to agree with your opinions, especially when info to the contrary shows otherwise. Try to back it up with some data or other legitimate info.

When your wrong... your wrong. No shame in that. People do it all the time. But when I tell you that I back it up, usually by showing you the lack of logic or presenting methodical data proving otherwise. I'm sorry but I'm here to tell you you don't have it all figured out, you can be wrong, and contrary to your ego, you don't know it all. I certainly never claimed that, but I am smart enough to see the many flaws in your line of thinking. And when I do I will tell you. Not because I think I'm better than you or smarter, but simply because reality and truth has shown otherwise and people come here to get the truth AND to learn. Theres way too much misinformation floating around out there. Being in Ohio your probably not aware of that.

Oh and now you've spoken with the "majority of hunters in PA". That's a pretty good accomplishment for a guy who lives in Ohio!

ps. My points didn't get me where I'm at if they weren't worth reading.