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| Board Index -> Ammunition» Rifle Ammo | The time now is Sun May 19, 2013 3:43 am |
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frog I'm a 12 point buck on this forum.
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Just wanted reloading help.What powders to use grains,bullets etc.For example I loaded some 30-30s using imr 4064,30gr and 32gr. of powder using 125gr flat nose hp sierra bullets.
30gr loads shot much tighter group.Thanks for any help Jim |
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frog I'm a 12 point buck on this forum.
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Hey, does anyone reload? I'm just starting out and would like any help I can get.Thanks
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shrpshtrjoe I'm a 3 point buck on this forum.
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Howdy Frog. When I'm looking for new powders for a cartridge i look for the best velocity and the highest load density (one that fills up the case) often times a compressed or near compressed load will give the best accuracy. Reloading is like cooking if you change the ingredient's you change the outcome. I start with light loads working torwards max in .5 gr increments loading groups of three and at the range mark all targets with the load. I shoot my test loads ( looking for pressure signs) and measure them with a micrometer and record the results I pick the best two and load five each and shoot again take the best and then try to tweak it, go up or down two tenths on the powder charge and find the best combo. If i am not satisfied i will do the same process with a different powder. I use this process each time i switch bullets or powder. Most of the major bullet manufactures have excellent tips in there reloading manuals, always look for pressure signs while reloading your first priority is to stay safe.
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The Mighty Deer Hunter
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There are tried and true formula's for accuracy for most loads.
Without consulting my notes - I can tell you that most of the Small .30 Caliber loads work best with IMR 4350. The SAMMI - Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute has limits as to powder charges for modern arms. I think that I can answer a few questions with this one post. First there is a guy that is having problems with his 30 / 06. I don't know where you are from or how far you are willing to travel to get your firearm repaired - but if you take it to Grice Gun Shop - I am sure that they could solve your problem for you or get you a replacement firearm. There are businesses that sell firearms that guarantee them for life. I know that most businesses are in business to sell firearms and not to service them. Your problem should have been addressed at the beginning by a reputable firearms dealer - preferably a Remington Authorized Repair center. Your problem probably lie's in the head spacing or the Barrel Free Float. The stock moving the barrel as it heat's up, Or the shell is loose in the chamber! Not something that can be addressed over the INTERNET. Second - as for reloading advice - yes you are right to start with a minimum load and work up for your firearm. Just remember that Maximum Velocity does not relate to accuracy. Also remember that although smaller barrels - and calibers tend to be more accurate. No one caliber or barrel is more accurate than another. It is in the hands of the shooter. The bench and the rest you use and the ammunition that you shoot. A 30 / 30 will not shoot as well with a 125 Gr bullet as it will with a 150. Don't ask me why. A 30 / 30 shoots best with a 38.5 Gr of IMR 4350 and a 150 gr flat nose bullet - in a carbine rifle. Using pointed ammo in a carbine is dangerous and should never be done. Most bullets will shoot in the same general area of the target - regardless of manufacturer - as long as they are the same shape and size. 38.5 is a compressed load. - Just so there is no rebuttal. As for a 30 / 06 - you will get the best accuracy with a 165 gr bullet - in my opinion. Most people for the sake of economy will shoot and reload 150 gr bullets. Which is just fine for Pennsylvania White Tails. Most shots at PA White Tails is at 50 - 75 yds and does not require much of a gun to kill them. 58 Gr of 4350 - along with a good 150 gr bullet will do the job 100% of the time. 59 Gr of 4350 is a compressed load. - 2825 FPS as is the IMR 4320 - 51 Gr which is not a compressed load. 180 Gr bullets does not shoot as well in a 30 / 06 as a 150 gr bullet does. It also creates more kick which makes the shooter flinch and not shoot as well also. 180 Gr load for a 30 / 06 uses 57 Gr max of 4350. At a velocity of 2750 FPS. It will retain more down range energy but will drop considerably more. Go out and buy yourself a good reloading manual and work up some loads. I would not shoot less than 5 shots of any one load to make sure that it was the load and not the shooter. Be careful not to mix components - CCI Primers shoot well in my opinion. Military brass is very good for shooting - but the primers are usually crimped and you sometimes have to ream out the primer pocket and it is hard on the pin that punches out the primers. RCBS die's can't be beat - but make sure to lock them when you have the proper lengths set and if they scratch the cases - take them back - they have a life time guarantee. Sierra Bullets work well as does Hornady and Winchester component bullets. You don't need Barnes X bullets to hunt White Tails in PA or any of the bonded bullets. They will usually do more damage than good. Remember that a bullet uses space inside the case to hold the bullet and there are maximum length's to all ammo and as the bullet gets bigger it takes up more space in the shell. Hence less powder in a 180 gr shell then in a 150. Find someone that has reloaded ammo for 20 or more years and get them to show you the proper way to reload ammo. Make careful note - if they skip some steps - such as not cleaning their brass before reloading or not measuring all the brass and trimming to length before reloading - not to follow in their footsteps. Do not skimp on supplies or buy a lesser grade of powder - just to save some money. Also do not substitute one manufacturer of powder for another one and use the same amount. Although some other manufacturers use the same number system as IMR - their powder is not the same and never should be reloaded without consulting a reloading manual. I don't use 4320 because it seem's to foul the barrel more than the 4350 and the improvement in velocity and accuracy is minimal. |
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frog I'm a 12 point buck on this forum.
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Thanks alot for the help.
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Ghost
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Mighty,
Why are pointed bullets not good for a carbine. I just bought a 7600 carbine 30.06....was shootin hornady sst interlocks out of em......what should i use? |
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Ghost
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...........Unless you're referring to guns with a tubular magazine.....cuz my 7600 has a clip.......so..pointed bullets shouldnt be a prblem.
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Ghost - I believe he meant a carbine that has a tubular magazine, not just all carbines in general.
Frog - What I do is check several different manuals to get me a starting point (not max.). Use what powders you have as a guideline. Then I'll do as SSJoe said and load up 5 rounds each powder, and also go a half a grain up and down. For example if a consencus from the manuals said 30gr. of IMR4064, I'd load 5 of each of the following 29.5, 30, 30.5, & 31 gr. Initially loaded with my preferred bullet which may be subject to change. Start shooting with the 29.5 and punch the bore with 1 wet then 2 dry, every 5 shots to give consistancy. But even with all that it is still dependant on the individual rifle. Two rifles of the same caliber, even the same model, can shoot the same load with 2 different results. Each gun has it's own preferred load it shoots best with. So what you read may vary. Check the manuals and here's a link. I have a 30-30 and dies, but I have never loaded for it, so I'm sorry I wasn't more help from a personal standpoint. reloadbench.com As a side note for anyone: H4350 and IMR4350 are 2 different powders, as are say H110 & N110, IMR4064 & XMR4064, and others. One is slower. The manuals will specify which their recipe is for. There's a burn rate chart on the link. |
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The Mighty Deer Hunter
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WTG Renagade.
Yes I meant Tubular Magazine as in 30 - 30 ... Not all Carbines have a tubular magazine. Reason being that the pointed bullet is against the primer of the next round. The recoil of the firearm can make the primer detonate. There are firearms that have box clips and magazines that have a shorter than normal barrel that are called carbines. And yes you are right about the powders. Also about working up a load to get maximum accuracy. Most guns will shoot their best approx 1 grain below max load. |
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