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woodhawg I'm a VIP Member of PAbucks.com!!
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Ghost wrote, "i dont doubt what your saying about your particular area..but I too have friends that have camps up in the Sproul state forest..right along the Emporium river..close to the Alvin Bush dam....2 full camps hunted hard all week and came home with 2 bucks..Small spindly racks..These camps back in the 1990's would usually have full meat poles..some scrub bucks..some real dandies. Thats all stopped.
Its just a situation where you are hearing one thing and im hearing another..it doesnt mean you are wrong or im right " Wow Ghost, Rene's right, that is some real progress I should be just satisfied with that. We can agree on your second point but only in results not premise: I have a camp near the place you are referring too. (Sinnemahoning Creek, Renovo Area, Clinton County) There is still a big difference between now and then with it being better now than it was. Don't believe your buddies, get the Renovo Record and check the pics in that. However, there are large chunks of private lands in that area adjoining Sproul. One landowner there who owns over 5000 acres and controls more with hunting leases. The club allows no doe hunting, bucks only and has lots of members (charging per head no limits). There is a high amount of landowning clubs like that in West and Central Clinton Co. They have hoards of lease hunters who hit the private and adjoining public lands pretty hard in those portions of land. (If you can imagine the mentality of a hunter who thinks since he bought a license he deserve a deer, imagine the mentality of a hunter who bought a license AND paid for a lease!) So, they have continued to shoot the heck out of bucks and the hunting there is substandard. I find it unreasonable to blame the PGC or AR for management of thousands of acres by private interests. (They basically haven't changed its' still the old time effect despite reg changes, it is still the "Good Ol' Days there!) This is because, unfortunately the PGC can't control unlimited harvest of legal bucks on private grounds and can't force them to take does, so the buck hunting there is substandard. As for you asking why I would think you wouldn't hunt the 1000's of acres of private lands at your disposal...That is a good question from you. In the past you have regularly used the excuse of private lands are far superior and "cushy" to public lands in PA. You have even gone as far as to suggest that AR gains should be discounted on private lands in PA because it is private. So, if there is a huge advantage as you say between big bucks on private vs. public in PA and your not using large chunks of private lands available to you. I can only conclude that your wildlife management philosphies on those private chunks doesn't work. Keep your day job, don't become a wildlife manager. ![[talker]](images/smiles/laugh4.gif "talker")
Another point about this area. The majority of the land up here is public like 75 or more % of Cameron county. There are only two farmers that make their living farming here. So, much of the private lands in Cameron are very small meaning the buck success and health is more factored by public land health than private. This is the opposite of the public lands in Ohio surrounded by thousands of acres of private farm land. Overall, your getting to be an alright. Heck we've agreed in part on something about hunting twice in one week. We shouldn't push to hard and ease into this budding alliance slowly. |
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".why arent you guys killing bucks?"
Can you not connect to the pages and pages of this years bucks? And those are just from the ones who know you can have their pictures posted. Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. Outta sight outta mind doesn't cut it around here. "Out of the 15 to 20 regular members on here that hunt PA...Show me one 3 year old buck...There was one buck killed from a Non regular member" ![[Slap Floor]](images/smiles/icon_slapfloor.gif "Slap Floor"){kind=icon} Do you really think that there's only 15-20 guys who hunt PA. Are you that naive that you think 15-20 guys, or even 50, are a legitimate representation of a million people????? ![[eyes11]](images/smiles/uhoh.gif "eyes11")
"I dont kill 3 year old plus bucks every year by accident." No of course not. You have to pay to go to other states and do it because it's too difficult for you to do it here in PA. But yet you think for some reason that we all should be able to. ![[scratchhead]](images/smiles/headscratch.gif "scratchhead")
"Im getting tired of the "No-substance" group in here that continuouly cant back anythin " Yeah right. Now your just being plain silly. Your the king of hollow claims. And here I thought your eyes were coming open, but your still blinded by Buckmasters. |
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woodhawg I'm a VIP Member of PAbucks.com!!
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Ghost, Regarding your comments about late season winter archery. Your complety 180 degrees from my experiences and perception on the subject. I'd check the buck harvest numbers for the Heydays. I winter archery hunted several years in the 80's (home on leave) talk about a sleeper, it was hard to find a doe even in the 90's.
During the "heydays" the idea of shed hunting for whitetail racks would have got you laughed out of town. Now, it is actually a growing tourist season up here. About this "Why aren't you guys killing bucks?" Who said I didn't? I took one out of state too. Not to mention, every time I have mentioned taking a big buck here in Pa, which I have. IRONICALLY, I get refered to as a "braggart" who has "cushy advantages" even though you have no idea and won't listen to what I've told you in regards to my haunts. As for my challenge from year to year as a hunter at this phase of my life. One word, "KIDS". (and smart wild bucks) But try mentoring a hunt and see how easily the trophies come in with your offspring talking, and kicking the stand braces ![[bigeyes00]](images/smiles/Wow.gif "bigeyes00")
Bagging a trophy and posting it here is not everyones highest priority or responsibility. |
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PAKEV I'm a 8 point buck on this forum.
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I just wanted to add some consistency for Ghost...its not all bad in PA
All 5 bucks were taken between 2004 and 2007 within one mile of each other on SGL57. I took two of them...a buddy took two and another took one. Before AR the biggest buck taken since the early 70's was a 100 class 8 point. See pic below.
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Ghost
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Renegade..
I pay for a license and gas money..thats it..I stay in a wall tent and I hunt publicland. Lets keep it real..Ive spent $140 last year and I spent $140 this year for a Nonresident license..It will take you 2 to 3 lifetimes of hunting PA and spending $ buying licenses to acheive what Ohio has provided me. I doubt you could ever achieve a 160 class and a 140 class on any publicland in PA. Now...who's paying more? PAKV..Nice deer..Things are proabaly turning around thru hunter attrition....Your SGL is now producing better quality deer because the PGC mismanged so poorly that hunters gave up..The lesser amount of hunters in the woods caused more bucks to survive. PGC mismanages---causes hunter attrition--hunting gets better. ![[sad3]](images/smiles/sad3.gif "sad3") |
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woodhawg I'm a VIP Member of PAbucks.com!!
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"PAKV..Nice deer..Things are proabaly turning around thru hunter attrition....Your SGL is now producing better quality deer because the PGC mismanged so poorly that hunters gave up..The lesser amount of hunters in the woods caused more bucks to survive.
PGC mismanages---causes hunter attrition--hunting gets better." Wow, your reaching rationlizations knows no limitations. ![[Shocked]](images/smiles/icon_eek.gif "Shocked"){kind=icon} |
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Ghost
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Woodhog..
Just keepin it real ![[thumbup]](images/smiles/thumb.gif "thumbup") |
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Nice bucks Kevin!
Just one question where are the tags for the other 3 pictures? Just wondering cause there doesn't apear to be any in the usual spots. |
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Well, by your own admission above, you definately are. Although if you want to keep it "real" you'll have to add in the cost of gas and license for Maine and food for both as well. ![[Make deal]](images/smiles/icon_deal.gif "Make deal"){kind=icon}
I feel for you ghost if having a chance at a 140 or 160 class buck is all the more you get out of hunting. That's a pretty sad commentary! I think you watch waaaaayyy too much buckmasters. I couldn't tell you a 140 class buck from a 150 class buck because I really don't care about some meaningless score. You not only have hunter envy but you have antler envy as well. It's all in your head pal, it's all in your head. ![[antlers]](images/smiles/antlers.gif "antlers") ![[holyhair]](images/smiles/silly.gif "holyhair")
PAkev - Nice deer, congrats, but.... they couldn't possibly come from a SGL in recent years. They don't exist. Ghost said so! ![[Dont know]](images/smiles/dontknow.gif "Dont know") |
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woodhawg I'm a VIP Member of PAbucks.com!!
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"Woodhog.. Just keepin it real"
Yes you are Ghosty, I'm starting to think that may be your assigned job on here. But just for humor and retorically speaking I must ask. This last conclusion of yours.... that would mean the hunting in Ohio is so great with reduced amount of hunters because the Ohio DNR sucks? |
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Ghost
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Ohio is the worse state in the Union to hunt. So..stay away..
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PAKEV I'm a 8 point buck on this forum.
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"Just one question where are the tags for the other 3 pictures? Just wondering cause there doesn't apear to be any in the usual spots."
Droptine..the tags are inside the ear cavities..I lost a tag a few years back while dragging a out a doe...I always stuff it down inside the ear now and pin or tie the ear shut. Not to worry...we tag and report every deer we harvest..Good eye though! Kevin |
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RSB I'm a VIP Member of PAbucks.com!!
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I figured some of you might enjoy seeing pictures of some of the public land bucks harvested in this area this year. I know a lot of these hunters and know pretty much where they got there bucks. I even checked some of them in the field.
The pictures aren’t great since I just took pictures of the pictures in the local news paper. Remember these are bucks that ghost says don’t exist on public land in Pennsylvania. 
Dick Bodenhorn |
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Ghost
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Nice PA bucks..but only about 3 of them should have been shot...Thats the problem with PA..if its legal ..hunters think they should shoot them..PA is a state full of killers not sportsmen..and thats fine..no problem but ..If a buck does not look at 3 years of age I dont take them...My style is not for everyone.
Hey Dick..Those bucks are no different from the ones we chased back in the 1990's..actual;ly bucks were bigger back then..We routinely were chasing after 140 to 160 inch bucks..but not anymore..its all been wiped out |
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RSB I'm a VIP Member of PAbucks.com!!
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You are so full of bologna and yourself it is sickening. I don’t believe for one minute that you wouldn’t shoot more then just a few of the bucks in those pictures if it walked up to you in Ohio, West Virginia, Maine or any other state you hunt. I really don’t figure you are anything more then a lot of huff and puff when it comes to waiting out trophy bucks. I don’t doubt though that you were chasing Pennsylvania bucks like that back in the 90s. Everyone else was chasing them too, but just like everyone else you weren’t legally harvesting very many bucks like those before antler restrictions allowed more of them to exist. Dick Bodenhorn |
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