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Ghost
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Just spoke to my buddy..he went to the Keystone Country store annual big buck contest in Ft Loudon PA. He said it was another pathetic showing for mature bucks from PA....Out of state bucks dominated..Just another prime example of what i'm talking about...He mentioned that alot if not most of the PA hunters that were there are sick and tired of the lousy hunting on PA publiclands.
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Ghost
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Buchanon state forest PA. In the 1990's. This is the size of the bucks we chased..I cant remeber ..but I think 4 to 6 more bucks followed him..about a minute behind.
He scored 140..This is just an average buck back in the 1990's..But somehow today the PGC would consider this buck a miracle produced by AR. ...In fact..PA was producing mature bucks and lots of them before AR. |
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woodhawg I'm a VIP Member of PAbucks.com!!
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Ghost counters with "Just spoke to my buddy..he"
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What a coincidence I just spoke to "my buddy" too and he says your buddy is full of it, most of the time and still owes him five bucks. However, "my buddy" agrees with yours on deer. He said he watched the PGC stocking full grown bigfoots. When he asked the WCO what was going on, the WCO declined to comment that if they were stocking bigfoots they may have been raised by aliens to be hungry and if the deer poplulation was too good extra bigfoots would eat them as all part as the master United Nations takeover plan. You can take that to the bank...becuase my buddy told me... ![[thumbup]](images/smiles/thumb.gif "thumbup")
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Old Timer I'm a VIP Member of PAbucks.com!!
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RSB, Cameron Co. is where I do most of my hunting and I have lots of friends up there that are locals, and one of my friends is in your pictures
![[bugeyes]](images/smiles/shocked2.gif "bugeyes") and NO he didn't harvest his buck on public land!!
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Ghost
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OT..
Its all a propagnada stunt. The PGC takes credit for Joe the landowner management. Where are the SGL bucks,,Somebody post a SGL buck in here besides a PGC employee. The SGL's are owned by the PGC..that is their land..I want to se how they manage their land. Somebody show me 3..4..5..6..7.8.year old bucks from SGL's |
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Ghost "OT.. Its all a propagnada stunt. The PGC takes credit for Joe the landowner management. Where are the SGL bucks,,Somebody post a SGL buck in here besides a PGC employee. The SGL's are owned by the PGC..that is their land..I want to se how they manage their land. Somebody show me 3..4..5..6..7.8.year old bucks from SGL's''
By Golly, All this from a guy that claims he is control of many PA private land acres but can't manage to manage to have any bucks worth hunting on it!!!! More proof that doe herd over protection creates poor hunting and poor habitat. Many large chunks of privately controlled lands suffer from this self management, then demand the state go back to "their way", to fix it. This is going to be long, sorry about that but there needs to be even more said. Half the problem in this argument is that it can't be explained in cute political slogans. This area is predominately public land. It doesn't really make too much of a difference up here most private land in some form adjoins public lands, unless it is under intensive, QDM, managment. Cameron county is over 75% public land. Most of the townships listed in RSB's pics are predominately public. For example Highland township, Elk Co, take a look at that on a map. It is kind of the opposite of Ghost's hunting on a postage stamp of public land in Ohio surrounded by thousands of acres of private, agricultural, glaciated till soil and land. It amazes me how many guys will buy a fuzzy pic of a cat as a mountain lion and then explain away dozens of pics of big deer in the 2G no less. Following the thoughts on this thread and past arguments is interesting, by paraphrasing, that it has been stated there are "no big bucks in PA". Then there have always been big bucks (but not because of the PGC in anyway). Then its "no big public land bucks". Then it is there aren't that many, then it evolves to they aren't really big enough, now we are to we don't have the biggest bucks in America. And we have devolved into anitdotal evidence of "my buddy" statements. Guys commenting on where bucks are taken... Who would really admit exactly where on public land or even that you got a buck on public land? Seriously, you'd have to be a fairly dense hunter because the next year you'd be sharing your spot with dozens of your buddies and their relatives. Old Timer why don't you mention the public land bucks shown in the CC Echo over the past few weeks? The Potter Leader Enterprise, The Endeavor News, The Renovo Record, the Bradford Era?. Maybe it is because many campers don't get the local paper when they are out spending their millions to save our local economy... I digress... I suggest throwing another $0.75 cents at us locals and check out the Dec 17th Echo. It would be interesting to any hunter to read the "From a hundred years ago"? 1943 Dec 16th note listed, ""Many believe that the doe herd is near extinction, heavy toll was taken during three day season...the doe season has caused a lot of bitterness here. The majority of local hunters were oppossed to the permit system in the beginning. And after observing the results they have had no reason for changing their minds." Ah the "Good Ol' Days, the HeyDays" or was it the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's or 90's? Each decade this discussion has continued. It is the 70+ year old argument which still persists. One in which after 100 years of being wrong many hunters still are waiting to see "eradication".
The only reason I'm bother to chip in is that it would be to PA's, deer's, and hunters benefit if we can break the cycle of ignorance. Ghost, we aren't the wheat belt for a reason. We don't have the type of highly protective buck regs that Kansas etc. have, nor would they be tolerated by PA hunters particularly the USP supporters. PA hasn't proven we can't top them when we had a three day doe season or "lots" of deer. (Although I never remember a time when during that time PA hunters fel there were "lots of deer"). It is not far from from Florida crying that their Key deer aren't as big as PA's. (At least in PA we have bucks that can score nationally, on public and private lands (except yours but you blame the PGC0 What is more obvious than the bias you carry is that it will never let you admit your wrong or that AR is working on PA on public and private land. Honestly, some of the bucks you wrote off which come from 2G public and private appear bigger or are dam close (to close to call on the hoof or a pic) to your coveted fat corn fed Ohio deer.
Old time management is akin to not pruning fruit trees because more buds equals more fruit, not culling a domestic herd or putting as many cows as you want per acre since more cows equals more money. How about not culling seedlings becuase more vegetable plants equals more vegetables right? Deer are no different, same rule applies and is especially more true because more buds don't spread disease, cause car wrecks, threaten the health of forests and therefore the very health of our economy and forest life in general. This maybe harsh but there is no way around it, I'm disappointed that selfishness has over ridden common sense for many people. Other's may keep this thing going out of anger because they feel they have been mistreated or pinched by the PGC, which is still a form of selfishness. One thing I've become certain of, Even though many people understand that this is the Good Old days and there is more opportunity to take a big buck than we've experienced in this state, I don't think the bickering will end during my time this whole thing will continue to continue for years yet. (Especially since controversy creates money now.) The good news is that there are positive's for the future generations. Like many hunters agreeing privatley and more publically that things are good than I've ever heard before plus strides in education in the youth and strides made by good organizations. ![[antlers]](images/smiles/antlers.gif "antlers")
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Ghost
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Heheheh..Woodhawg..i will admit ..you are entertaing...
Oh btw..You are wrong about my deer being corn fed..There are no fields for miles around..all woods ...actually..I have yet to see any crop fields in Ohio..except for Northern ohio....it seems if there are any fields..its grass pasture land in the section of Ohio that i hunt. Look Woodhawg...Im fully aware you can find pics. from PA.. But randomness tells me nothing. Those pics. RSB posted ..How many unsuccssful hunters do they represent? If you show me 10 succsful hunters does that mean they represent 1,000's of unsuccssful hunters? Show me like i showed you. I gaurunteed success and success i showed you..Thats what i'm looking for..Not randomness...I want you..or anybody else that hunts PA SGL's to say before the season that they are going to harvest a 4 to 5 year old buck. If they can accomplish it whenthey garunteed it..that tells me the hunting is productive and the SGL is providing quality hunting. |
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Old Timer I'm a VIP Member of PAbucks.com!!
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[quote]Old Timer why don't you mention the public land bucks shown in the CC Echo over the past few weeks? The Potter Leader Enterprise, The Endeavor News, The Renovo Record, the Bradford Era?. Maybe it is because many campers don't get the local paper when they are out spending their millions to save our local economy... I digress... [/quote]
I don't care how many bucks they put in the papers, all I said was that my friend DIDN'T harvest his buck on public land. |
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I don't care how many bucks they put in the papers, all I said was that my friend DIDN'T harvest his buck on public land. [/quote]
Which one is your friend? Just how far off the public land do you figure he was when he killed his buck? Cameron County does have a few private land tracts that are surrounded by the 75% public land that make up the county. Dick Bodenhorn |
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How do we know where your video came from or when it was taken? For all we know it might have been from the past couple of years since antler restrictions. How do you know what it scored. Do you have a picture of it after it was harvested, or are you just pulling everyone’s leg and guessing at what it scores? Dick Bodenhorn |
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woodhawg I'm a VIP Member of PAbucks.com!!
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Old Timer, thanks for providing that nugget of information. But I don't see where RSB specifically declared every buck off public land. Maybe that buck was harvested off one of the few farms in the county, of which, I can't think of one that isn't bordered by State Land in Cameron county.
Ghost, This one is a beaut, "There are no fields for miles around..all woods ...actually..I have yet to see any crop fields in Ohio..except for Northern ohio....it seems if there are any fields..its grass pasture land in the section of Ohio that i hunt." You should be more observant. You've NEVER NOTICED ANY CROP FIELD IN OHIO? Do you sleep in the back while your buddy drives? Dude, in the your pic from this year. Look behind the hedgerow, that is a field...(and it looks tilled). I noticed you didn't address the point of predominately private land surrounding small parcels of OH public land. And this one is a golden classic, "Show me like i showed you. I gaurunteed success and success i showed you..Thats what i'm looking for..Not randomness...I want you..or anybody else that hunts PA SGL's to say before the season that they are going to harvest a 4 to 5 year old buck. If they can accomplish it whenthey garunteed it..that tells me the hunting is productive and the SGL is providing quality hunting." Where in the world of entitlement is gauranteed success called "hunting"? If you can gaurantee it your not hunting. Do you really think the goverment should be responsible for guaranteeing a deer? In your convienantely spotty memory you seem to forget that its' been explained to you that hunting down a trophy is not everyone's highest priority every year. When you have kids or their old enough to hunt, I hope you don't tell them if they don't get a buck every year that hunting sucks and if they do have success worship the OH DNR for providing a gauranteed opportunity. Yes, you have provided a pic of you with a buck. It has proved that you can pose with a buck. You yourself have proved that pics are ineffectual. Constantly, you demand photographic proof and every time you get it you discount it and demand more. That is B.S.
Why would I bother to show you a pic, if I even carried a digital and it made it through the day. I wouldn't bother. Heck, everytime I've mentioned success you falsy accuse me of having a "cushy advantage" (in a thread about taxidermy not even a brag forum) for some reason, when you have no idea where or how I hunt. |
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Well said Woodhawg, tell it like it is, or should I say "keep it real"!
You and Dick are correct, pics and video's are a dime a dozen on the web and hold very little water without legitimate verification. The local newspaper's big buck contest flyer came out on Friday. Here's the links to the pics. Sorry, they did it with individual page .pdf files this time. Page one first place jr. & adults- http://www.lewistownsentinel.com/pdf/news/511122_1.pdf Page two second place jr & adult- http://www.lewistownsentinel.com/pdf/news/511121_1.pdf Here's the rest of the 16 pages- http://www.lewistownsentinel.com/page/category.detail/nav/5184/Big-Buck-2008.html I thought last year had some better pics |
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Ghost
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The video is from 1990's...I was below my buddy scouting and he was above me with the video camara..I bumped 6 to 7 bucks to him ..all nice mature bucks. The buck was eventually taken in gun season..It scored about 140.
If you choose not to believe then thats your deal. ![[Razz]](images/smiles/icon_razz.gif "Razz"){kind=icon}
Woody..Become a believer.
Renegade..You just said "pics. mean nothing on the internet". and then you post pics. ![[Confused]](images/smiles/icon_confused.gif "Confused"){kind=icon} |
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woodhawg I'm a VIP Member of PAbucks.com!!
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Those are some dandy, huge, bucks Renegade.
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ghost - I thought this was obvious, but let me explain the difference. You post a pic or video that has nothing to verify it's legitimacy. The pics I posted not only are hosted on an entirely unrelated website, but have dates, names, and were part of a public verifiable contest with rules. Just how could I fake this??? You can't be so niave as to not understand this.
Start adding a locally dated newspaper for verification in your pics and then you'll have some legitimacy. Let me give you an example: I was talking to my "buddy" the newspaper and he said... "After a short week at work or school, many hunters will be headed to the woods again for another chance to take a deer. Rifle deer season enters its second biggest day Saturday. "I don't normally see as many deer (as on opening day,)" said Randy Eigenbrode, co-owner of Keystone Country Store, Fort Loudon. "They get more wary with the traffic in the woods. You just don't see as many." His advice for weekend hunters: "Just spend more time out there. Hunt a little harder and move a little bit." Many hunters were thrilled with a successful hunt. Others struck out. Some broke the rules and got caught. Successful hunts A good second-day hunt made up for a wet and foggy Monday. By Wednesday noon, the store's Big Bucks Contest had 27 entries, five from junior hunters. The largest dressed at 167 pounds. "A couple scored in the 140s, pretty good deer for around here," Eigenbrode said. "They're getting bigger, no question about that." Lewis Brantner agrees. Racks have been getting larger on his parents' farm since the state adopted antler restrictions in 2002. The 39-year-old Orrstown man shot a 162-pound buck opening day on the family farm near Roxbury. " Or don't take my word for it, read about it here: http://www.publicopiniononline.com/search/ci_11143201?IADID=Search-www.publicopiniononline.com-www.publicopiniononline.com ![[lol2]](images/smiles/icon_lol2.gif "lol2"){kind=icon} ![[Roflmao]](images/smiles/icon_roflmao.gif "Roflmao"){kind=icon} ![[Slap Floor]](images/smiles/icon_slapfloor.gif "Slap Floor"){kind=icon} (Boy I just love this internet thing) |
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