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Cityhunter

I'm a 8 point buck on this forum.<br> <b>My next goal is to become a 9 Pointer.</B>
I'm a 8 point buck on this forum.
My next goal is to become a 9 Pointer.


Joined: 02 Nov 2009
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA

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Well, today was my first day hunting outside of the City of Pittsburgh or the nearby suburbs. I drove about 40 minutes north of the city. I climbed (Summit climber) into a tree just before sunrise which was about 615 to 630 am. I had previously found a scrape which appeared to be fresh, so I set up on it this morning. Thinking that he might return to check it. At 8 am a big ass buck which was at least an 8 point walked into view. Now I don't know if it was just dumb luck, but this buck walked 80 yards right to me, but he never gave me a broadside shot. I set myself in a tree which would give me a broadside shot if he stopped to check his scrape, but he bypassed it and turned left right underneath me. As he passed underneath me, I decided to try and stand so I could potentially shoot at him after he passes by me. Unfortunately he saw me move. He quickly stopped and stared right at me from about 20 feet below. He then ran about 16 meters away, but again, only gave me a shot at his butt. He paused there for only about 10 seconds then ran a little further and stopped. He stood there and snorted at me for about 5 minutes.
About an hour and a half later I saw him run across a nearby field, but he never came close to me. I called it a day at about 1pm.
This is the 4 time I've been nusted and not even been able to draw my bow before the deer sees me and runs. What can I do to correct this? Was I correct to set up on the scrape? Or do you think that it was just a coincidence that the buck walked within 5 feet of it?

Thanks in advance....
Good scouting
JoescheppaeQ

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Joined: 07 Jan 2009
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Location: Plymouth Meeting
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It's not all luck if you do good scouting, however, finding where the brusiers are & getting one in the truck are two entirely different matter. I also use a summit and have found that it is key to bringing home a deer to find climbable trees that are in and around heavy cover with two or three narrow shooting lanes available to keep you hidden yet will provide you with a good shooting oppurtunity. You can work on the fly with a pair of nippers in with your hunting supplies so that if you do find a well hidden spot you can make some quick lanes and still get in the tree quickley. It worked for me along with 10 days of waiting all day long. Good luck.
Good scouting
JoescheppaeQ

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Joined: 07 Jan 2009
Posts: 179
Location: Plymouth Meeting
Age: 35
Zodiac: Scorpio

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It's not all luck if you do good scouting, however, finding where the brusiers are & getting one in the truck are two entirely different matter. I also use a summit and have found that it is key to bringing home a deer to find climbable trees that are in and around heavy cover with two or three narrow shooting lanes available to keep you hidden yet will provide you with a good shooting oppurtunity. You can work on the fly with a pair of nippers in with your hunting supplies so that if you do find a well hidden spot you can make some quick lanes and still get in the tree quickley. It worked for me along with 10 days of waiting all day long. Good luck.
RuggedHunter

I'm a 12 point buck on this forum.<br> My next goal is to become a Member of the Pabucks.com  Monster Buck Club.
I'm a 12 point buck on this forum.
My next goal is to become a Member of the Pabucks.com Monster Buck Club.


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I feel ya CityHunter. It's my second year in archery, and I also use a climber. I have been within bow range of many deer this year....and can't connect. It's really, really hard to find a good straight tree, with enough cover nearby to break your outline, and near the sign you'd like to setup on. I always feel naked in my stand....so I try to climb higher than usual....about 25 feet. Sitting perfectly still, I have had regular success having deer come very close with no idea I'm there....but as soon as I move, they go on alert. Not always seeing me....not always hearing me....and I'm pretty sure not smelling me. It seems they can feel the energy of my heart beating in my throat....LOL. A few deer have busted me while drawing. I try to only move when a deer is behind cover, or a tree is between me and its head....or it's looking away....sometimes only getting partially into position with each movement. I've tried standing when I think I hear something, and before it's close....but it's usually squirrels....and makes me move too much, I think. I always stand for the last half hour of light, just to be ready....that's when I've seen most of the action. I think that when I can afford one, I'll get a hang-on stand. There are many, many more options to place a stand within proper cover with one....I think that's really important in archery. I can get away with less cover in rifle season, so the climber will still get used.

It also seems that no matter which way I'm facing, they always come from my right side. I'm right handed, so a shot to the right involves a lot of movement. On more than one occasion this year, I've tried to get ready for a shot, when I should have been more patient and waited for the deer to cross to my left side. I can shoot that direction while remaining seated.

It is frustrating....and at the same time, more fun than I've had in 20 years of rifle hunting!

Good luck!
Theotis44

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That is frustrating. The key is to ALWAYS be ready for the shot. When you think you hear one, get into shooting position. You can't wait. His head behind a tree, get ready to draw, or yank it back. You never know when the shot will be there.
renegade

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Don't beat yourself up, it's just the luck of the draw. There's no way you could have known his travel pattern. You said you just found a scrape and set up on it. So you guessed which tree would give you the best shot at the scrape should he visit it. Had he done as predicted you'd have been in luck, but buck are not predictable during the rut, especially since you had no prior knowledge of this buck or his habits. Chalk it up to the learning curve.
But the issue you could have avoided (at least 8 out of 10 times) was as theotis mentioned. As soon as you hear anything that could possibly be linked to a deer.... get ready! I tend to stand a lot so that I can rotate in the direction needed as soon as possible. And any movements, deer present or not, must be fluid and slow, so as not to draw any attention from even a bird. So you need that additional time so you don't have to rush things. Twenty feet up is usually good unless the understory is sparse and your easily silhouetted. Maybe you needed more height.
Remember, archery is a close contact sport. Your senses against his. That won't be the last time you get busted. Good luck.
Getting better, but still no cigar.
Cityhunter

I'm a 8 point buck on this forum.<br> <b>My next goal is to become a 9 Pointer.</B>
I'm a 8 point buck on this forum.
My next goal is to become a 9 Pointer.


Joined: 02 Nov 2009
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA

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The more I thought about what happened with that big buck, the more I realized how I screwed up. I saw that big boy when he was 80 yards away. And I was in a hollow in the shade. I could've stood and drew my bow long before he entered the hollow. But I was so amazed that I was going to get a shot a a big buck that I completely lost my mind! I waited far too long to prepare for the shot. I had my mind set that he was going to that scrape. If I hadn't been thinking that, I may have drew my bow and waited for him to come into the hollow then take the shot. Well...you live you learn. And I did.
Now I have to tell you about day 2 in the same general area. I arrived in the same hunting area about 1130 am, but I instead climbed a tree along a path from which I saw that big buck come from yesterday. Well by 230 pm I began to get frustrated. Realizing that this is ot optimum hunting time, I decided to take a walk and scout around for an hour. About 330 I got back into my tree stand. Just in time. At 350 pm the freakin place went crazy. I saw a doe come busting out of the woods into a field about 60 yards away. Then I saw another. Then about 5 more. Then that same big ass buck came running out chasing them. And he brought a friend. Don't know how many points he was. Atleast a 6. Maybe bigger. These deer ran around this field for 45 minutes chasing each other. In and out of the woods. The absolute wildest thing I've ever seen hunting. These deer weren't close enough for me to shoot, but I heard them all around me. Then suddenly I see a doe walk into view at 25 yards. She is eating and oblivious to me, but she is also not in a position where I can take a shot. For 40 minutes she walks in and out of view. I learned this time. When she walked out of view, I stood. And remained standing for 30 - 40 minutes. For a few minutes she was out of view and I thought she left. But I heard her walking behind a bush. So I raised my bow. She walks into view at only 15 yards (if that). She is looking at me. I remain standing with my bow raised. Man did it get heavy quick. She finally turns her head away from me, so I drew my bow. She looks back in my direction. I get a good shooting position and aim, but I was forced to aim about 2 inches toward her rear than I would consider heart and or lung shot. But I figured this was as good as it is going to get. Squeeze. SMACK! Hit her broadside and she runs about 30 - 40 yards and stopped. I thought she fell. I waited about 1/2 hour before I climbed down. I checked my arrow which had heavy bright red blood and brown hair all over it. But.....no blood anywhere on the ground. I looked for her where I saw her run to. Nothing. I swept back and forth but no blood. I abandoned the search after an hour. It was very dark. My lantern broke. And I had no blood trail. I'll be heading out tomorrow morning. It's pretty cold here tonight. Like 35 degrees. Hopefully if I find her she's still good.
So....getting better, but no cigar.
Cityhunter

I'm a 8 point buck on this forum.<br> <b>My next goal is to become a 9 Pointer.</B>
I'm a 8 point buck on this forum.
My next goal is to become a 9 Pointer.


Joined: 02 Nov 2009
Posts: 20
Location: Pittsburgh, PA

Game Tokens: 575
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By the way, when I first started talking about trying archery hunting, a few guys that have done it in the past told me that once I get into it that I won't want to hunt any other way. That it is much more exciting. Well, I agree. It is the most freakin' exciting form of hunting. Especially for an adrenaline junkie like myself. My whole damn body shakes and I cannot control it when a deer gets close to me and I am trying to get a shot.

PS. I still like the fact that when I shoot a deer with a 7mm WSM there is no tracking involved...lol. All kidding aside. Archery is so much more challenging. Although I still enjoy the "convenience" of sitting in a stand and smacking a deer from a distance with no tracking needed. If I had a rifle today, there would be an 8 (or more) point on my hitch hauler! Well if I don't get him in the next 2 weeks, then I'll be back for him on November 30th with my pop gun.
RuggedHunter

I'm a 12 point buck on this forum.<br> My next goal is to become a Member of the Pabucks.com  Monster Buck Club.
I'm a 12 point buck on this forum.
My next goal is to become a Member of the Pabucks.com Monster Buck Club.


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Congratulations! Did you find her this morning?

I'm jealous.... [greentoung]
Cityhunter

I'm a 8 point buck on this forum.<br> <b>My next goal is to become a 9 Pointer.</B>
I'm a 8 point buck on this forum.
My next goal is to become a 9 Pointer.


Joined: 02 Nov 2009
Posts: 20
Location: Pittsburgh, PA

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No I did not. And the quest continues..... I didn't even find a blood trail. Although the fletchings on the arrow were covered in bright red blood. And the shaft of the arrow was covered in brown hair. I also found a large clump of brown hair on the ground where I hit her. But no blood trail. I don't think I hit her lungs, but I thought the shot would be lethal. Oh well, my buddy has been preaching to me to only take the broadside prime shot through the lungs. And to let anything else walk. But this shot I thought was close enough to take. Oh well, I suppose he's right.
RuggedHunter

I'm a 12 point buck on this forum.<br> My next goal is to become a Member of the Pabucks.com  Monster Buck Club.
I'm a 12 point buck on this forum.
My next goal is to become a Member of the Pabucks.com Monster Buck Club.


Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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Ah man....that stinks. You'd think there would be blood on a pass through. If you think you hit her too far back and missed the vitals, and you're not finding blood....it's possible that you got her guts? Were there any other clues on the arrow? Bright red blood and brown fur is usually a good sign I thought....a hit back a little further might be a liver shot, leaving dark blood....hit the guts and you'd probably know it from the arrow I think. But if you did get her there, the guts might close back up around the hole and soak up a lot of blood, not leaving much to follow. Is there a water source nearby? Sometimes they head to water when injured. I'm sure you've read all of this before...
6 point crawling with maggotts
JoescheppaeQ

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Joined: 07 Jan 2009
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Location: Plymouth Meeting
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Last night while running the long loop at Evansburg and my dogs just took off. They crossed the Skippack creek and disappeared up the hill. Fifteen minutes later after crossing at Kratz Bridge and headed to where I had last seen them I could hear barking like mad. When I got to where they were a rancid 6 point buck infested with maggotts was sprawled out in a thicket. From what I could tell with my head lamp and a stick the deer had been shot in back just in front of the left leg. I was sad because he was a big deer and would have made for good eating or maybe made it to next year and been a bruiser.

When I got back to my truck the DNCR Ranger who is super cute gave me a very stern warning about being in the park after dark and not having the dogs leashed. I guess shes new.
Dirty

I'm a 12 point buck on this forum.<br> My next goal is to become a Member of the Pabucks.com  Monster Buck Club.
I'm a 12 point buck on this forum.
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Out of all the deer I have shot with my bow. VERY few leave blood right were they are shot. If they do it is normally a very small amount. I have learned to watch the deer after the shot. I mentally mark the LAST spot I saw that deer. Looking at land marks close to that spot as well Since the view from my stand is always different then from the ground.

I have had deer run 50 yd before they bleed and dead at 150 yd. I have also had deer bleed right were I shot them and I have tracked them 1+ miles to never find them. Tracking is a slow art and is not something you learn all at once in my option.

The other key thing I am focusing on this year is SLOW DOWN. I know everything happens very fast. But I have hurt more deer then I should by rushing to take a shot. It is not worth it to me anymore. The past few years, I am mentally taking the time in the stand to walk though the “what if's” and keep telling myself to pause and make sure the shot is GOOD before letting it fly. [antlers]
NBRYAN512

I'm a 10 point buck on this forum.<br> <b>My next goal is to become a 11 Pointer.</B>
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What type of broadheads are you using? Had this problem a few years back using Muzzy's, never picked up blood at the sight and followed tracks for about 50 yards are three differant deer prior to getting blood on lethal lung shots. Switched broadheads with larger cutting diameter and like majic havent had that problem again.
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Shoot a deer with a rage in the cage, a blood trail a blind person could follow. With all seriousness, the shot placement is the number one important factor in recovering a deer. From what I hear some expandables will not penetrate a shoulder shot. good luck hunting the rest of your season.


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